U.S. Constitution Pt. 3
McLintock — Mon, 2010-03-22 18:16
The second amendment says "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and BEAR arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". If we give up this right we will lose our freedom. The fathers of this great country put this in our Bill of Rights, not for hunting or "sporting" purposes but to protect us from a over powering government. This is what the Americans did in 1776, they took up arms against there government in England. The time may come when we need to do that, I pray and hope that will not happen. And what about a free state does our current people in Washington do not understand, a free state and free people are not the governments property, so don't take it. No matter how bad things are I do not want or need the governments hand out. I fail as an American and succeed as an American, on my own account. The Constitution starts out with saying "WE THE PEOPLE of the United States", not "we the government". This is why I will not give up my arms, and I will keep and bear them. They will have to take them from "my cold dead hands". We are still a free people and will always be free, as long as we keep our right to bear arms. We need to show our government who Americans really are, we are hard working and don't put up with people stealing our livelihood. "DON'T TREAD ON ME"
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The Right to Bear Arms
South Texas Cowboy — Thu, 2010-04-15 08:41From the Constitution reply to McLintocks/NightHawk comments: At the time of writing the Constitution the "Right to bear Arms" meant for the citizens to be able to protect the state with a well regulated militia. Modern militia has been replaced with state national guard and the need no longer remains. This bring into great debate.
First what is ARMS: The weapon then was the flintlock. Used to hunt with, to go to war with and a one shot reload rifle and pistol. Today, the military has "Assault" rifles, 30 round to 100 round magazines normally firing 5.56mm not to get into mounted weapons, mini guns or specialty weapons. The term arms meant then to have the same weapon to protect our nation that has become so much more advanced. It's not about having home protection, handguns, shot guns or a deer rifle, it is about the right to have what it would take to fight a military. Sure, I have a deer rifle that would reach out and touch somebody, but it is not to go against a military enemy. This debate goes so deep into movements both from the right and left wings, both argue great points. Do I need to fight a military. Well, not today....but with the wrong movement into political power might mean on day, we would or become sheep and be lead by a government in a less than freedom manner.
Second: The oath of Governmental branches, Political offices and Military states to "Support and defend our nation against enemies foreign and domestic." Enemy to me is anyone who tries to remove the right of liberty and freedom. However, my liberties should infringe on the liberties of others. That oath also means to be willing to fight and over through any governmental movement that goes against our constitution. That is important to think about. A government, or party which would change our constitution? A domestic enemy? We just believe that this amendment means "Hey, I have the right to protect my home". A baseball bat will protect my home....I need to protect my nation, my homeland.
However, does everyone in this nation need a gun? That would scare me more than my right of having a gun lost. Most killings of domestic crime might have been reduced if the person or persons did not have a gun. Or had availability during heated discussions. Both arguments are very much correct. However, if I can own my group of AR-15 rifles, then surely that nut next door has the same rights....an I don't trust him with a Daisy much less owning a colt. However, we need this right to stay as it is written. Citizens are our best protection of homeland security. In your quote "My cold dead hands" by a media stand point would turn your patriotic beliefs to come out as a radical right winger even though what you mean is correct. When you quote "That time may come again" it will not be from aboard. That is perhaps why voting continues to be the most important thing for this nation.
Third: You may have that right but local laws remove that right. City ordnance often refer carrying of guns, state laws enforce these. Remember once you could drive down the road with a shot gun hung in the window of the pick-up truck. Today, you get pulled over. I even had a police office try to tell me I have no right to own a machine gun...that they are illegal. They are not, and require an ATF tax stamp permit. While taxed weapons have created less than 100th of 1% of all crime with guns, I frankly do not like the government knowing what guns I have or not. I recall history where a great nation campaigned on law and order. They create strong youth movements and Patriotism grew strong. Registrar of weapons became law, then removed the right and removed the weapons. The youth movement was Nazi Brown Shirts and the year was 1937.
This nation still argues this right more today than any other issue. Semantics of words like Bear Arms meaning to join the military I think not. Right to hunt, I think not. I believe it meant exactly as written, a right to protect this nation from her enemies. The argument will continue to remain and while they argue, I can live with that....because I still have my right....and like many others, we still have our guns.....because today, it's not against the law.
Roger Edison
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NEVER VOTE FOR ?
Concretecowboy — Tue, 2010-03-23 09:01Every bit of freedom and every bit of American life that is taken away can be traced to the 'Political Industrial Complex' that has taken control of our elected governments.
'Political Industrial Complex'??? Face it people, we now have an entire industry that is built around our ELECTED politicians that is for one purpose only - to CONTINUE the industry! The industry is no longer a business that wants to help you start your business! The industry is no longer a political party that wants the 'good' man' elected! The inudstry is no longer assisitng those that need it! There no longer is a political organization that is not in it for the money - tax and spend!
And the most imortant thing to KNOW is that - ALL politicians are the same! Left or right - they are the same! Conservative or liberal - they are the same! Democrat or Repeublican - they are ALL the same - tax and spend!!! We, 'the people' no longer have control of our elected officials! They are controlled by the 'industry' that will get them RE-elected. They are INCUMBENTS in an industry that knows only one thing - tax and spend!!!
To end this madness is a very simple process but one that hurts your pride. It is an answer that might make you feel alone. It is an answer that goes against your 'political' knowledge because you have been brainwashed into believing that politicos 'know' the right way of elections! What they really know is that as long as you are divided (republican or democrat) they can control your elections.
And the INDUSTRY is that basic, people! And you have fallen for it, hook line and sinker! STOP being a part of this division that takes away your power as a voter - - - if everyone in this country registered as an INDEPENDENT - register as only an AMERICAN - - - register with YOUR own mind and vote only for YOUR fellow Americans who have NO intention of becoming a ' 'career' ' politician than there is a chance that we can kick out the 'Political Industrial Complex' that now controls your elected officials.
It will not be easy and it will take time. A number of elections will have to take place but it can be done. We can destroy the 'industry' with one simple motto. One simple slogan strikes fear in elected officials all the way from your main street to the hallowed halls of Washington D.C.! One simple thought that can be passed on to your friends and relatives - one simple phrase that you can tell your son or daughter; one simple phrase that you can tell Aunt Harriet, Uncle Bob, Grandfather Bill, sister Ann, and every person for every election - - to take back control of your elections and government - - -
NEVER, NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT - - - the flies will go away if you sweep out the manure...
1. Re; your post
nighthawksh — Tue, 2010-03-23 11:441. Re; your post yesterday.
No one is trying to take our guns away.
2. Re; today's post.
As I have posted in the past, while the idea of not voting for an incumbent may be attractive, it is never going to happen. In a primary, I may vote against our incumbent Congresswomen, but, if she wins the primary, I will certainly not vote for her opponent.
You will never get voters to cross ideological boundries. Conservatives will not vote for liberals, and liberals will never vote for conservatives. Our ideology defines who we are and what we believe in. To ask someone to violate that belief just to "throw the bums out" is unreasonable to expect.
Another issue is the structure of our legislature. The rules give seniority certain positions of power. If all electees were without seniority, the entire system would have to be re-written, and possibly the Constitution ammended.
So, good luck on your idea. In my opinion, a person would be far better served to campaign for a candidate, then follow through if that candidate is elected.
As a footnote, what is happening today is no different from 100 or even 200 years ago. We just hear about it more, thanks to modern media.
However, I do commend anyone that is willing to get involved in our system. It is, even with all it's faults, the greatest political system in the world.
Guns
McLintock — Wed, 2010-03-24 19:24nighthawksh, you say "no one is trying to take our guns away", but read this; Obama's new Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. If that is not taking guns (and rights) away, then what is?
Romans 8:28
There is no movement by the
nighthawksh — Thu, 2010-03-25 10:44There is no movement by the administration to do any further gun control laws. Holder, though he did not like it, admitted, since the Supreme Court upheld the individual aspect of the 2nd Amendment, that he could and would do nothing further.
Also, nothing would ever get through Congress now.
So, at least for the foreseeable future, our guns are safe.
I AGREE BUT I DO NOT SEE DIFFERENCES
Concretecowboy — Thu, 2010-03-25 10:00McLintock - I agree and I am right there with you on taking government out of our lives and freedoms.
The difference might be that I recognize there is NO difference between political parties we have today. Our elected form of government is now controlled by an 'industry' that knows only how to tax and spend AND try to control Americans. The industry is in it for the money and both parties are the same...
Let me give you an example that might register with those that think they have the 'right' way of politics --- DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE HELMET LAW FOR MOTORCYCLIST?
Now that question has been answered by elected officials with a majority being conservative? Why? It takes away personal freedom? It is government intrusion on one type of driver of a motor vehicle (( the premise is that we need to protect bikers from the injury that is a burden on society -- but IF this is REALLY true - would it not also be TRUE that ALL in ALL motor vehicles need this same protection??? ))? Yet, conservatives (do you bleieve in the helmet law) are at the forefront of this government intrusion on people who do nothing to hurt you! And will the next step be a helmet law for horse riders?
Do you get my point? First it was helmets and next it will be your gun BUT it will come from ALL political parties and it does not matter if it is right or left, conservative or liberal - THEY ARE ALL THE SAME INDUSTRY - 'Political Industrial Complex'... And they control your elections as long as you divide yourselves with the idea that conservative are different than liberal in our system of govenment we have today. Stop the division and be ALL of one AMERICA to end this madness. A democrat is not your enemy! And a republican is not a fanatic! Stop it!! Because the longer we divide ourselve in this great Nation, the longer the 'industry' stays in control of our elections...
History is NOT possible ???
Concretecowboy — Tue, 2010-03-23 19:09While it is easy to fit comfortably in the present and have no idea that some changes are possible - take a look at history!
King George had the belief that all those silly commoners in the colonies would never band together and revolt... The pope believed that Luther was a fanatic and no one would listen to him... The Soviet Union could never be broken up...
Listen, I could go on and on and on and on with history lessons of events that change governments, religions, etc etc - in the history of man. But it is not necessary if one has an open mind that does more than accept, accept, accept that one has no ability to change. Of course there are those who are part of the 'Political Industrial Complex' and want to continue to feed off the tax and spend incumbents.
NEVER, NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT...
I acknowledge the changes in
nighthawksh — Wed, 2010-03-24 07:18I acknowledge the changes in history. However, most of those changes came about when people were of a like mind. In today's overcrowded America, there are two basic ideologies, liberalism and conservatism.
I cannot believe many from one ideology will ever vote for a candidate with the opposite ideology.
For instance, here in South Dakota we have one Representative. As I stated above, I would possibly vote against her in a primary, but if she wins the primary, I would ave to vote for her or not vote at all (which is not an option with me) as I would not vote for anyone in the opposite party.
I believe your original posts left out a very major factor, which is campaign financing. As long as big money is involved, things will remain the same.
Rather than a battle to vote out all incumbents, I would rather see a stronger drive for campaign finance reform. I believe we should have government financing of all federal elected offices, with equal amounts given to each side. But, that is a different subject I guess.
AMERICANS DIVIDED
Concretecowboy — Wed, 2010-03-24 09:46You are right, we are divided. And you are right, things will remain the same with ''big money'' involved. That is why I constantly refer to the 'Political Industrial Complex' that now controls our elected officials. It is an 'industry' and what needs to be recognized is that the 'industry' that now controls our elected officials has made the left and right, the conservative and liberal, democrat and republican - ALL the same.
You may 'believe' their is an ideological difference (perhaps a 'belief' difference) that seperates Americans but that is not the problem. The problem is that we, Americans, are divided because it is in the interest of the 'industry' to keep us divided and keep the elected officials in control so that tax and spend continues. Believe me - INCUMBENTS are ALL the same today. And nothing will change if we do not put forth the idea that the entire system is now controlled by an industry.
You are right - nothing will change. As long as the industry controls the voter because he 'believes' his elected official is his man (with a logo, badge, personification), nothng will change and career politicians will be controlled by the RE-election industry.
If any history can be known from this, nothing will change with the system we have now. Unless there is a revolution. Remember the gun issue that started this dialogue? History has shown that any possibility can happen and that is why our founding fathers knew every citizen has a right to bear arms. So - do we have a revolution?
The 'Political Industrial Complex' knows history. The industry that controls your elected officials do not want Americans to have the right to change history. Especially with 'arms'. This industry is not about left or right! This indusrty is not about Republican or Democrat! It is about money!!! The 'industry' is made up of INCUMBENTS and they are ALL the SAME.
Can we have a revolution? Of course not. But if ALL Americans join together and use the simple phrase - NEVER, NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT!!! The industry will know that they can not depend on the status quo. The industry will know that their money is not guaranteed when tied to an unknown elected official. The industry will know they can NOT control elections if their is NO guarantee and the only way to achieve this (without the 'arms' of revolution) is to stop being divided and destroy the election process we have today. Start being an 'independent' American because that is what made America great - INDEPENDENCE - and not being controlled by a political party that is actually a 'Political Industrial Complex'!
It will take time - It will take other elections over time - It will take more than a revolution of 'arms' because the election process is entrenched and as pointed out - funding for elected officials is controlled by the 'industry' and not by the people so the 'choices' appear to be only what you are given by the industry. BUT it is a possibilty in 'history' to take back elections by - NEVER VOTING FOR AN INCUMBENT - stop the system with one word at a time. One word that can grow and grow and grow - if you speak it! Make it the rallying cry of the future elections. Make it the gun you shoot at the system. Make it the 'money' that you can control. Make it something that is told to everyone you know and meet -- NEVER, NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT...
I certainly respect and
nighthawksh — Wed, 2010-03-24 13:11I certainly respect and admire your passion for this topic.
You say; " if ALL Americans join together and use the simple phrase - NEVER, NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT!!! "
That will never happen my friend. We cannot get 50% of America to agree on any single issue, much less "ALL" Americans.
A few years back, I worked for over a year (and spent a lot of my own funds) attempting to help establish a viable third party, the Veterans Party of America. The biggest stumbling block was ideology. We all agreed on a strong military, strong support for Veterans, etc. But, we were divided right down the middle as to if the basic platform of the party would be conservative or liberal. That division destroyed what had at first looked like a possibility.
So, unless you could find some way to get liberals to vote for conservatives, and conservatives to vote for liberals, your idea of "never vote for the incumbent" is doomed.
But good luck anyway.
Thanks and respect right back to you...
Concretecowboy — Wed, 2010-03-24 18:26You are right... It is a sad, sad day in America that our naiton is so divided.
I admire and want to thank you for the attempt to start a Veteran's party. IF the divide of liberal and conserative could not be breached by the men who shared combat, than you are right. But other than working within the system (tried) and simply voting our way out, well - you know how this is not working...
We really do have an election system that now supports an 'industry' that is in it for the money - tax and spend... And all of these politicians are the same. They all know each other and they all support their family and friends. It has become such a problem that violence is now starting in America.
So, I in my simple way - I have found a motto, a mantra, a common cause that all of us can use to direct our frustration and anger back onto the 'industry' that controls our elected officials. It really does strike fear in those that have no life but taking our taxes for their own benefit. And I am serious! I will never vote for an incumbent, until the 'industry' is destroyed and the common man is back in office.
NEVER, NEVER VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT...