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How About a Quote!
proverbs31 — Sun, 2010-02-07 18:19
I think quotes are great to use, I am all for them, but only for very specific reasons. If one desires a quote to be effective – that is to persuade others, it must be utilized correctly. If a quote is used incorrectly, they can and will cause more harm than good.
Quotes add an integral element to a persons writing, they add merit and credibility, but only when they are inserted well. A simple toss from, “quote.com” without any introduction or explanation is sloppy and immature use.
It is very common for a new student learning to write; to misuse quotes. They often make the mistake of tossing here and there, as if: “ewe I found a good one!” As if: “that’s all there is to say!” It is the writer’s responsibility to explain what he is trying to convey and show why the quote inserted is relevant.
If one chooses to use a whole quote: by all means keep it in its context!
Sure, I know that we all don’t hold degrees in such areas as writing, but I would rather a man speak/write for himself then use a constant barrage of other men to speak for him.
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Some quotes just don't need
nighthawksh — Thu, 2010-02-11 10:29Some quotes just don't need explaining.
I'll throw one out (though it is not "cowboy") and I would wager most know it, though they may not know the entire meaning behind it. Those that do know won't need an explanation. Those that don't would not understand anyway.
Let's see who gets it:
"I love the smell of naplam in the morning"
I would be one of the ones
La_cowgirl21 — Thu, 2010-02-11 10:51I would be one of the ones that seems to remember hearing it at some point yet has no clue what it means lol...but hey thats ok! haha
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Educational Content per Quotes
proverbs31 — Tue, 2010-02-09 17:54As to avoid misguiding anyone, and because a good education is that important; the below paragraphs are found at Wikipedia.com
The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as "contextomy" or "quote mining", is a logical fallacy and type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.
In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning in argumentation. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener or interlocutor (e.g. appeal to emotion), or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument, making fallacies more difficult to diagnose. Also, the components of the fallacy may be spread out over separate arguments.
Sojourner
and your point is???
nighthawksh — Wed, 2010-02-10 10:26and your point is???
Well, we have had "thought"
nighthawksh — Tue, 2010-02-09 11:16Well, we have had "thought" police for some time now, telling us we should think this way or that way, that we should believe this or that, and now we are going to have "quote" police telling us how, where, when, and who we can quote.
That's heavy, man.
sorry, but as long as this is a free forum, open to the public, I will post what I wish and quorte however and whom ever I wish.
And I don't need no steekin' explanations,,,,
(By the way, I like Emerson)
right on
Admin — Wed, 2010-02-10 16:26right on
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A quote is a quote is a quote
Concretecowboy — Tue, 2010-02-09 20:00Well said, nighthawkish... If I may quote Mr. Emerson in regards to thought -
"The soul of God is poured into the world through the thoughts of men." -RALPH WALDO EMERSON
And as Larry the Cable Guy, might add, with head bowed and this is a paraphase not a quote from his act on stage, 'Oh, lord forgive me, that was not nice and I will try not to do it again.' LOL - and of course he continues on and does it again and will ask for forgiveness again.... LOL love that guy and we all might learn from him not to take a quote too seriously... LOL LOL LOL
Cowboy code of the west
Cowboyfirefighter — Tue, 2010-02-09 04:08Quote " If its not true don't say it, if its not yours don't take it, and if its not right don't do it! "
I believe these to be the three basic things not only cowboys/cowgirls are supposed to live by but everyone walking this earth. Pretty good quote that this cowboy tries to live by everyday. hope yall find it just as helpful
good quote
casey shipley — Mon, 2010-02-08 18:01john wayne once said get of your horse and drink your milk. i love that quote.
????
John T — Tue, 2010-02-09 19:14are you sure he said that? why would he say something like that,? get off your horse and drink your milk-doesn't even make any sense. I don't know doesn't sound like something he would say but feel free to let me know the meaning of it or where it originates. some of the origins of qoutes/sayings are very interesting and it is surprising to learn how long they have been around. Wish I could think of some off the top of my head. I do think the term "half cocked" is a reference to the postion of the hammer on a muzzleloading rifle.
John Wayne and kids? A quote to think on...
Concretecowboy — Tue, 2010-02-09 20:27I think (maybe) I know where this came from. Remember the movie that John Wayne was in that had the boys who did the cattle drive? Great movie and perhaps it was in there as he told the little guys to get to work?
I don't know but it sure does make you think. I would hate to see someone censure your quotes because they just don't get it. What would that prove in this land of the free where we all want to express ourselves? Just doesn't make any sense to not want to think as we ride the open range and talk to our horse. In fact, I think my horse would get a kick out of a good quote...
movie qoute
John T — Wed, 2010-02-10 17:29I have that movie, my brother in law gave it to me. Now I have a reason to watch it again, it should be interesting trying to catch the part in the movie where he says that. I'm sure once its taken in context it will all make sense; Even to your horse.
Well it did come up when you
La_cowgirl21 — Tue, 2010-02-09 19:32Well it did come up when you search for John Wayne quotes. Now what it means i dont know lol....
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quotes
La_cowgirl21 — Mon, 2010-02-08 10:46I think most use quotes to back up their point in a discussion/argument. Doesn't bother me. lol
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MAKES YOU THINK, huh?
Concretecowboy — Mon, 2010-02-08 10:42" Every man is a borrower and a mimic, life is theatrical and literature a quotation.'' -RALPH WALDO EMERSON -- LOL
The most quoted book of the day is the bible and most quote it poorly. Perhaps even those that quote the bible are doing so because it is thought provoking... Just look at what quotes have done to your thinking about quotes. Makes you think, huh?
The Point Is!
proverbs31 — Mon, 2010-02-08 17:59“Makes you think, huh?” – Concretecowboy (This is not a wise quote, but for the sake of explanation, I will use it.)
That is just the point! You see sir, I prefer to “think” wisely thus, not foolishly; or do you not understand the difference? If a person has determined to practice wisdom, that person examines the literature and they take all that is of worthy value into consideration. You have taken quotes out of context thereby leaving a job half way done, making its value less than worthy; worse yet, misrepresenting the original author of the quote. (See explanation in my original write up). I am not going to take the time to explain to you what quotes are misrepresented; for this is another lesson in its self. Moreover, I have already pointed out your error concerning another quote used out of context (see Cowboy Ethics). However, maybe you are perverse and do not care to respect the author nor his work. Think wisely…Why do you think it is so important even illegal to quote someone else and not give them due credit? Do you think it is about respect? Where does your integrity lie here? While taking ones quotes out of context is not illegal, (the law enforcers do not have the means to traffic plagiarism itself) still is disrespectful. What honor is it in this? Do yourself a favor and educate yourself concerning the use of quotes. This is as easily accessed on the web as the quotes themselves.
Maybe the respect aspect really is not the issue after all. Perhaps you do not fully understand all the quotes you use yourself, there by misusing them. Is this why you refused to answer my direct question per the quote used on Charity Doesn’t Just Start at Home? Do you not respect the persons posting his/her comment enough to explain your response?
By the way…Ralph Waldo Emerson is a heretic, thus brings no merit to what little discussion you offered to the topic.
Of course, this explains your notion that a Bible text quoted poorly is thought provoking
Finally brethren what ever things are true, what ever things are noble, whatever things are just, what ever things are pure, what ever things are lovely, what ever things are of good report: if there is any virtue and if there is any thing praiseworthy – meditate on these things. Phil. 4:8 NKJ
Sojourner
Holy cow!!!
Concretecowboy — Mon, 2010-02-08 20:08Geez, this does not seem very Christian of you. There is so much more in life that needs your attention than simply not understanding quotes, ie - death and suffering in Haiti, the war in Iraq, etc etc.
Perhaps you need to think on this quote, 'Though I speak with the tongues of men and angels and have not charity, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. -I CORINTHIANS 13:1-3
Please, proverbs 31. before you go off on another tirade, stop and think; this is simply a forum to post a comment. There is NO requirement to better another. There is no need to find an answer that may make you appear better than another. As for Emerson being a heretic, the best thing you could do for all who read your thoughts is to back off a little and understand - there is a very, very large world of many, many people out there who are jews, muslims, pagans, buddhists, hindus and blacks, asians, browns, native indigenous people, ??? Do you not get it that there were both cowboys and INDIANS?
Again, I have no idea why you feel so threantened that you need to be so attacking in this forum. It is not very Christian of you - peace and love for you...
With All Sincerity
proverbs31 — Mon, 2010-02-08 21:41Hello friend. Wow, what a great post…Really I mean it. My apologies to you, I really did not desire to offend you, but I cannot rightly expect you to judge my intentions by my actions. 1 Cor. 13:1-3 is well received. Thank you.
As I continue here, please do not think I am attempting to justify my sin – for I have sinned against my God and all concerned. Humbly speaking, I am a very inquisitive person thereby my craving for understanding is great. The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge. Proverbs 15:14; The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge; and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge. Proverbs 18:15
Please do not feel as if I am going to go off on another tirade, but if I may be so bold to say I might learn more from you if you would explain the quotes you use. I have learned from my sin; I have repented, therefore I will not be harsh if I disagree with your use (context).
Perhaps in the future we may correspond with this in mind: Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord Hebrews 12:14
-Desiring forgiveness
Sojourner
Think for thyself as the way is written in a quote
Concretecowboy — Mon, 2010-02-08 22:07Perhaps the difference for which you seek is not to have another think for you. Rather than question the messenger, question the message. If you ask me to explain a quote from Ben Franklin, Voltaire, or Emerson, it is like me asking you or King James to explain a quote from a gospel. I would not even begin to want you or King James to explain because that is not where the message comes from. For me to question you or judge that you may not be using the gospel as intended is not for me to say. And that should explain why you should except a quote even if it is from a heretic as you have said Emerson was. There is nothing to forgive.
Quotes
McLintock — Sun, 2010-02-07 19:13Quotes are good to use, but it must be IN-CONTEXT. So here I agree with Proverbs31. If we use quotes out of context we will confuse everybody. Also if we use quotes all the time, others think thats all we know and do not think for ourselves. CONTEXT is everything.
Romans 8:28