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Pro slaughter campaign, I researched and don't believe you
LazyWRanch — Wed, 2012-01-11 16:01The pro slaughter campaign will have you believe that slaughter is more humane in this country. In fact what people don't realize is that the slaughter process of the large processing plants in Mexico and Canada (usually located directly near the borders) are the exact same process that we had here in the U.S. (this obviously does not count the few small Mexican slaughter houses that are not using the mechanical methods).
The slaughter process used for horses was actually designed for cattle. When used on horses it is a make shift type of process not humane or designed for the humane processing of a horse. It is designed for the humane processing of cattle. 104,000 horses were slaughtered in the US when we had slaughter here and 120,000 horses were sent over the borders when it was banned. Not a huge amount of animals and nothing really increased when slaughter was banned. The increase was the normal increase we have seen historically for the last 12 years. With that being said, there are not enough horses slaughtered in this country for investors to re-vamp or engineer a new slaughter process specifically for horses. There simply are not enough horses slaughtered to justify spending the money for a new horse specific humane slaughter system. They will never get their money back out of the new design. No matter what anyone says, the process used currently is NOT humane for horses no matter where it is.
People were convinced with mis-information that slaughter must be better in this country because EVERYTHING is better and more humane in this country ....right? Well, not so with horse slaughter. Until the process is drastically changed, including the treatment by kill buyers, transportation and holding policies, horse slaughter should never again happen in this country.
This slaughter process is an embarrassment to the horse industry just like the over breeding of race horses and breed futurity horses are. We are covering up an embarrassment with yet another embarrassment. How can we call ourselves horsemen when we allow such a process to exist?
Slaughter pro/con
skylineqhs — Mon, 2012-01-09 19:01There is a lot of comments on here that have great content and I agree with a lot of the opinions, others sadly, seem just like people speaking from emotions only and no facts. I think maybe most agree that IF there is to be slaughter it needs to be managed more humanly. I know everyone thinks that will happen if it is on US soil.. I hope so but we certainly can mis-manage other animal business's. I agree that partly this falls back on responsible horse ownership. To many people run out and buy a horse because it seems "Fun".. I know as we pick up these pieces a lot. I agree it needs to be known that meat buyers do not want the skinny old horse, there is no market for that obviously. LOL No different than selling beef! It is for meat so fat is good.. sorry but people need to know.. Transport needs addressed. Few do this humanly, I have seen it and have only met one that transported in a humane way. I think the term "back yard breeder" gets thrown around a lot as a good excuse. Just ask someone to give their definition of a back yard breeder on a public forum. You might be shocked at the variance of what everyone thinks that term means. Besides, think about it.. If breeding stopped 100% today, no more foals, then in short order we will have all old and retired horses. Remember the ones no one seems to want to deal with. SO that will eventually hurt the market. I also think only pretty snobbish people think a horse has to have papers and a mile long pedigree to be worth anything. They have not rode a good ranch horse that puts in a harder days work than most show horses ever thought of. Or the fantastic trust worthy trail horse.. Sorry but horses really, truly do not give a crud about pedigree. This is a human issue not horse quality. Also many "quality breeders" are breeding very very incorrect horses, just look at a halter horse by today's standards.. sickening. So anyway you look at it, we may all never agree on most things, some due to lack of education, some due to stubbornness ect. but I hope we at least all agree we need to address the issue of irresponsible horse owner-ship and unwanted horses.
Responsible owner/breeder.
nursebetty — Thu, 2012-01-12 17:36Associations promote better horses through breeding. Very Hitler like mentality. Not responsible. This leads to more unwanted horses because show judges who are also in the accountability circle determine by their opinion what the perfect horse should be. Being a snob has nothing to do with it. Many community's through out the U.S. have enforced restrictions on the number of horses in a given area and what criteria is needed under the local laws of that area. In community's that the sole income is derived from equine activities small company's survive from those that spend the money to keep them afloat for the next year. Many responsible breeder's have cut back on producing foals because of economical problems. Many have been forced to sell off their stock and not to slaughter. Back yard breeders should not be allowed, but that's my opinion. The fact is the Government has also been part of the problem and not part of the solution unless its for their own interests. Example The DOI/BLM Federally protected mustangs are still to being rounded up because of mining, oil and solar and gas drilling. Their dirty little secret has been revealed and the number of mustangs that enter Mexico is staigering (sorry for spelling) My point is their is plenty of blame to go around from AQHA to the DOI/BLM for either encouraging more breeding of what are deemed by judges imperfect and BLM for gathering and selling off the so-called un-adoptable. The Thoroughbred and Standardbred breeder's are at the very least making an attempt to find homes for those that don't make the racing cut and find new careers for them. But birth control for horses should also be part of the solution just like with people who once in a while should just say I have a head ache and say no!
Sheep following the wolf
MuleSkinninMama — Tue, 2012-01-10 09:30There have been horse slaughter houses on US soil before and they were not humane. So, the contention that if they were on US soil they would be handled humanely, has already been proven false.
I see many "emmotional" people on both sides of this issue... people who are spouting things with no, or little, knowledge and others who are believing their words without question. So wrong! Look into things for yourselves people and stop believing those who are the loudest spouters as many of them spend all their time on the internet spouting whatever they feel like spouting and know nothing of reality... and have huge numbers of "followers". Just makes me shake my head at what sheep most people seem to be, that they blindly follow the wolf without question.
Pretty sure horse slaughter isn't helping at all
barrelchick89 — Wed, 2011-12-07 17:42If you want to sit here and preach about horse slaughter and how it helps decrease the overpopulation, you need to do research first. Even slaughterhouses have requirements. They won't take just any horse, for if it's a neglected horse, there is no value, so they won't make money off of the horse. They want healthy horses that are in good shape, and preferably under the age of 12. If slaughterhouses are making their money from slaughtering horses that can actually live a productive life instead of the horses that are labeled unwanted, then how in God's name is that helping the population? HELLO? The horses that are the center of controversy are still here! If slaughterhouses actually used HUMANE methods of killing the horses, and if they actually killed the horses that "no one wants" instead of the horses that have value and aren't contributing to the overpopulation problem, then MAYBE, I would believe that slaughter isn't so bad, but for now, it isn't helping or hurting the population. The idiots who want to buy a horse and expect it to be easy to take care of, YOU are the reason why there are so many neglected horses roaming the streets, unhealthy and emaciated. Horses are a lot of upkeep, and if people were more responsible when it came to horse care, neglection wouldn't be such a major issue. Same goes for all the backyard breeders out there. YOU are also part of the reason why there are so many "unwanted" horses, if not the entire reason. Backyard breeders are GREEDY, money hungry morons. I personally think you could slaughter all of the backyard breeders in this country and see a decrease in the equine population within a year! I respect everyone's opinion, but my opinion is that horse slaughter will NEVER be the answer to keeping the equine population under control. It's up to horse owners to know and accept the responsibility that comes with owning a horse. Can't afford your horse? GIVE IT TO SOMEONE WHO CAN! Don't let your horse suffer through the effects of your financial difficulties. It isn't fair for the horse, especially when there are tons of people who are more than willing to take a horse that needs a home that can provide all of its necessities. Got a sick horse and can't afford its vet bills/euthanasia? SURRENDER IT. Don't just dump it in someone else's pasture and leave them to take care of YOUR problems. It really irritates the hell out of me to hear people say that they would rather see a horse slaughtered than starved to death when the owner is the reason that horse is starving in the first place. GIVE YOUR HORSE UP IF YOU CAN'T TAKE CARE OF IT. I don't care how pretty your horse is and how much you love it. Show your horse the same love it has shown you and do what is best for it. Willingly letting your horse go will give you a peace of mind, and it will feel good to know that your horse isn't one of the thousands of horses that are out there, RIGHT NOW, struggling to stay alive.
barrelchick You make some
nighthawksh — Thu, 2011-12-08 08:24barrelchick
You make some very valid points, but it is getting to the point that, especially up here in the winter, it is almost impossible to give a horse away. I personnaly know where I could get 5 to 10 head absolutely free, just for going to get them. and they are all fine animals.
I really agree with your comments about "backyard breeders." Far too many people think just because they can breed their animals, they should, or that they can make money from it. Of course this goes for dogs as well.
slaughter is a bunch of crap
Fredericksburg_... — Mon, 2011-01-24 22:04My Horse was set to go to slaughter before he was rescued then adopted by me. He was one step under Grand Prix in Dressage apparently he lost a competition and was punished in training and driven to a point that was just plain sick when he did not pick up the routine as he should have and the whip was not enough the owner or trainer broke his nose with a crow bar by hitting him in the face. He then reacted and was deemed a dangerous horse and was going to Canada to slaughter broken face and all. I am very blessed to own a 17.4h. 1200 lb lap horse who will hug you with his head while being brushed. He will search your pockets for treats and go until he drops to please. He has such a drive to keep going when your out with him riding he listens and protects me out in the Field and around the barn. When I went to look at two other horses he cut me away from the others and kept me to him self the whole time pulling on me. I told him to go get in the truck and he walked up to gate and stood there and waited looking back while I was looking at the other two. I arrived three days later after leaving that night and picked up the Arabian mares and him. when I loaded the mares and drove away he walked up to gate and stood and watched my truck and trailer drive away I was watching him in the mirror about two hours later as I drove back to the ranch to pick him up he seen my truck and ran to the gate and waited. I dropped the ramp as soon as I got there and he walked almost pulling me into the trailer with him to be loaded. The lady who I adopted him from turned down 23 other people over the course of three years until we found each other and now he leads my pasture and and the herd and still waits for me to come home at night at the gate. I am so blessed he did not end up slaughtered.
Horse Slaughter
RowdyKate — Sun, 2011-01-23 17:56There should be a place to send unwanted horses but they should be humanely transported and humanely killed. It's not the USs place to judge other countries by what they eat just because we don't. When our government fails and food distribution stops we'll be more than happy to eat horses and probably other pets as well. Situations change and it is unrealistic to think someone is going to keep a horse 30 or more years. I stopped breeding horses because I've had to give 3 years crops away. Many good sound riding horses are being given away in our area. Some are being starved when the owners can't afford to feed them. Costs more to run through auction than you get. I have 4 "pasture ornaments" left I hope I can afford to keep until they die.
Horses For Slaughter
Susanb1 — Sun, 2011-01-16 22:12There Still Are Slaughter House. I Have Been To One It Is Something You Never Forget. Had A Pony I Had To Have Put Down. The Machinery They Use Is So Devastating... They Put The Animal In A Shoot The Machine Comes Down On Them . The Horse Still Alive. Peels The Hide Off Of Them. Then The Blades Comenses to do the Rest. The Screams Are Unbearable. Until You See This You Might Change Your Mind. They Need To Put The Animal Asleep. I Love Horses So Much. Would Take Care All Of Them IF I Could.
I would sure like to know
Desert Rat — Mon, 2011-01-17 09:21I would sure like to know also where this plant is. Sounds like a bunch of bleeding heart hype to me.
The Cowboy Poet
I would like to know where
nighthawksh — Mon, 2011-01-17 08:45I would like to know where that place is, as they are violating the law.
Horse Slaughter
martinez — Fri, 2010-12-24 19:58I have horses and love each of them dearly, but I have seen what has happened since the slaughter houses were shut down here. Horses have been turned out in parks and people that can't afford to care for them and can't sell them or give them away are letting them starve to death. And starving to death is not a humane way for a horse to die. It is a long slow horrible death. Where are the people that got the plants shut down? Are they taking care of any of these old, sick, unwanted or crazy horses? Are they putting their money in to help take care of them? At least the slaughter houses in the US could be regulated and was more humane than the Mexican ones.
As far as hearing the cries of horses from those so called edited tapes, have you ever heard a goat being slaughtered?
Shutting down the slaughter houses did hurt the horse industry. You used to be able to buy and sell good horses(roping, barrel or riding) for a good price. Right after they were shut down the price dropped so low that any horses that you may have had you were lucky to get $500 on a horse that was worth $5000. The last horse sale I went to I was horrified to see how bad a shape the horses were in and that the most that they were going for was $25 to $100 and people that made a living buying and selling good horses no longer have a way of living.
Love my horses but send to slaughter
Ronnie — Fri, 2012-01-13 05:16It is extremely difficult for me to understand how one can dearly love horses, in addition, one's own horses, and be for their horrendous suffering in the horse slaughter pipeline. The ultimate, the slaughterhouse. The whole process hideously inhumane. To love horses and be for their slaughter is either a rationalization to slaughter and/or a justification for $$$$. For horse slaughter is only all about money, i.e., greed, with the maximum cash going to the overseas million dollar companies profiting from our horse flesh. The low price of horses at a horse sale, and not a horse sale for slaughter, is due to our poor economy that has hit every sector of America. And as for horses being in "bad shape," at an auction, this is pure abuse and cruelty and should be prosecuted. Horses going to slaughter are the young, healthy, robust...more cash for every pound. Sick, ill, thin horses are rejected A poor bag of bones is only good for weak soup stock~ Lastly, how many who "love horses" and are pro-slaughter have actually watched the under-cover videos of slaughter and the hideous transport to the hell-house. And do a Google search. There one can also find a 3 part series, "Confessions of a kill buyer." Listen to TRUTH. Once a horse is destined for slaughter, it becomes a "THING." A living being, viewed and treated as already dead. Horses arrive for slaughter, ill, injured, dying, dead. They are severely abused by the kill buyer truckers. One little tidbit to ponder for "humane treatment," is it is routine to gouge a horse's eye out. Reason? So the horse can focus on the pain and not react to the reality of the suffering of being trucked, crammed, for days and days w/o water, food, rest. And this also happened when the U.S. slaughter houses were open. Has nothing to do with horses now being shipped to Mexico or Canada. BTW, when the slaughterhouses were open in America, a massive amount of horses were shipped to Mexico and Canada needed our horses to be shipped to fill the Canadian slaughter house quota.
Shutting down the slaughter
Stephanie Billi... — Wed, 2012-01-11 18:02Shutting down the slaughter houses is not what caused the horse market to crash....it was coming anyway. Prices had already started to drop because everyone was overbreeding. People who used to get $3,000 to $5,000 for horses could no longer get that because the demand had been met. It's Supply and Demand 101. People used to pay up to $10,000 for a well bred peruvian in my area just 6 years ago. We have 3 rescue groups full of peruvians from folks overbreeding who thought they could cash in on the Peruvian craze. Now they are everywhere, not because they can't be slaughtered, half of a herd of 92 peruvians went to slaughter this summer. We took as many as we could but none of them had been handled so it was difficult to find homes for them. Why should it be my responsibilty to continue to bail people out like this peruvian breeder? He was also a family practice physician with way more money than I had but he felt he should get something for his horses. Sure, it was his right to sell them to slaughter but if you could see their faces, it breaks your heart knowing the cruel end that awaits them. The ones that we have are now trained and some of the sweetest horses you'll ever meet. They all should have been given a chance but there were just too many of them. I'm sorry that those who used to make a good living selling horses can no longer do so. The owners of Blockbuster video stores feel the same way. Our society is changing, there aren't as many kids getting into horses as it used to be, family farms are being shut down due to big corporations and the market for good horses is dwindling, then throw in the poor economy and you have the perfect storm. Horse slaughter is not going to increase that demand. It will help horse owners make a few hundred dollars when trying to get rid of an unwanted horse but is it really worth it? Seriously, can you honestly say horse slaughter is the right thing to do?
Horse Slaughter
Kansas Jack — Fri, 2010-12-24 14:30I have 15 equines, horses, mules, and donks. I love each of them, individually and collectively. I am responsible for them, and I care for them in all ways. I do not expect anyone else to care for them. A time will come when I'll have to put one down. I'd like to see its by products used to some good. That can only come about as a result of a slaughterhouse.
The back of my driver's license is checked for organ donor status. I hope whatever I have that can be used to help another will be used for that purpose. Shouldn't our equines be looked upon in the same manner? I would think so and any other use would be wasteful.
Remember, people in other cultures do different things, eat different things, and live different ways. That doesn't make them wrong, it makes them different. It's their right. If you don't agree, it doesn't make either of us wrong. It just means we disagree.
Kansas Jack
horse slaughter
cblove92 — Wed, 2010-11-03 14:45I am a true horse lover and hate to see horses being mistreated. BUT something needs to be done. I am for horse slaughter but it needs to be done in a more humane way. There are some horses that are beyond help they are aggressive and crazy. BUT if peta or other activists have a problem with it then they should should pay for them to be put down with their own money and not taxpayers money.
"Courage is being scared to death-- but saddling up anyways" John Wayne
horse slaughter
d_rbradley@emba... — Thu, 2010-09-02 12:08If you are for horse welfare.You should be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I.E. either support allowing the slaughter of otherwise useless horses or be willing to spend your personal wealth (perhaps all of it) to care and support the dependent horses. I do not mean tax money,spend your money not mine.
Horse slaughter
Vets Wife — Wed, 2010-09-01 16:46The problem is with the people that make the rules, but won't take the responsibility for their actions. They get the slaughter plants closed down and step away thinking they did the world some good. Not true! They need to get out in the real world and take a hard look. The economy took a dive and people where left with horse's they could not sell or feed. Some horse rescues are not what they seem to be. Some are very credible and doing good things. Quite a few become a horse rescue and then it gets out of hand. They are left with horse's that they rescued and now can't feed. Some of these people become horders and let the horses starve to death.
My husband is a equine veterinarian and is called out to evaluate horses that are starving. It's real. We need the slaughter plants for this reason. Not because of over breeding. Yes the transporting was a problem, but it was getting taking care of. What is worse? Being let go to fend for their selves and dying or sold to a slaughter plant and put down humanely? Horses that are slaughtered aren't all used for consumption.
We live in the desert and there have been hundreds of horses turned out. Domestic horses can't survive on their own in the wild. There have been piles of dead horses found out in the desert and some had plastic bags on their heads. This is a big problem and the horses are the ones to pay the price. You can only rescue so many horses and what happens to the ones you can't rescue.
It's Somewhat of a good thing BUT.....
burkeshirestables — Fri, 2010-08-20 04:38Horse slaughter is a partially a good thing simply because there are sp many horses that do not have a good home and are sitting rotting in a field somewhere. Without horse slaughter the group of these animals would become so large and inhumane it would be completely out of control. HOWEVER the conditions that horses are in when the go to slaughter is disgusting. Every other animal that we send to slaughter in this country is raised to be fat and healthy. But horses are forgotten, abused, and emaciated. That is wrong. If we're going to slaughter them they should atleast be as healthy as the cattle we send in.
Why Put a good Horse Down
TexMex — Sat, 2010-08-14 23:44I forget who's story here was about a rodeo horse that broke a leg performing a PRCA rodeo after bucking out into the arena. However, I do remember reading where the on scene vet made his inspection after evaluation and the stock contractor elected to put the good horse down. The contractor then had to pay the fees to euthanize the horse then more fees for disposal. It was a sad story. However, I suppose he could have taken the horse to perhaps Texas A&M where they have been very successful healing horses with leg injuries. Although the cost is expensive. The stock contractor has horses for bucking, they are not pets and Rodeo and wild horses are very much about an American Western Culture as one can get. Some feel it's cruel to buck out horses or bulls. I think roping likely causes more injuries to animals than those bucking events of bronc or bull riding and could use such words as "poor little calf" having a rope thrown over his head then thrown down and tied up. Sounds cruel to me, but it really isn't cruel....or is it? Maybe being a Cowboy is cruel since we eat BEEF right? Some love chicken as we read the lines here, crispy fried chicken while others love the taste of pork....Even Washington DC loves pork because it seems every time I begin to like some new bill in this country, before it comes to election, so much pork has been added that it no longer looks good.
I'm not really for the slaughtering of horses....That's Right...I'm not for killing a horse. I'm not much of a cat lover but love dogs. However, I can't save all the dogs, and they euthanize them daily where I live. Even the American Humane Society will euthanize if the animal is not adopted in a set time period. CRUEL. They kill dogs....They kill Cats.
Now I have a friend who is some kind of vegan that does not eat anything of flesh....they say it's bad for you....but I love Beef. Come on, a vegan Cowboy going to live on just corn bread and beans? This is not a trail drive.
Today, slaughter houses in the USA have been out-law in most states, I believe and Canada was working on changing their laws too. So, today, these once valued horses that brought some worth sold to slaughter houses now end up being sent for general auction. Horse Auction.....The buyers, well they come from Canada or Mexico mostly where a few really pretty horses might bring top dollar, $500 bucks maybe but the rest sell for around $200. Auction are legal....Slaughter illegal....Foreign buyers...legal....control-lost. Today we gave away control when we illegalizing slaughter houses. The road to slaughter is cruel and without our control....Have you every been in a Mexican Jail? Imagine, these are just horses and they treat people in jail there pretty damn bad...the horses, they are just horses....who cares about the horses any way.
However, the same person that replies to this will be a beef eating dog loving human who enjoys good pork and fried chicken and will say it is cruel to slaughter a horse but not cruel to eat my BBQ brisket. They will talk about starving horses but you don't starve what is going to be use to eat....we want fat. Starving a horse is because I can no longer feed the horse and today, can not give the horse away at any price. Then you offer it for free and some guy comes up and takes it as you believe it's going to a good home and they drive off in the trailer only to meet up with a huge rig with many more horses for Mexico or Canada. They are being slaughter.
Fact....1/3 of today horses in the USA that are going to auction are race horses. So they must be the blame over breeding horses for racing...but it is a great past time and sometimes great fortune on a Tri-Fec-ta. Before I say it is cruel to slaughter a horse, I have to step back and ponder....damn...is it cruel they slaughter caves for my veal...Where does it end....So, I have to evaluate my thinking and ponder....We horse lovers don't want slaughter but we allow auction to buyers from Mexico...Canada...and did we make any laws to protect these horses from becoming slaughter there...or did we just make our life feel good because we support something that appeared good but then turn out even worst for the horses?
Rescues are important. There are so many 501 (C) non profit programs each seeking money for these horses that matter of fact, they would not have this money donated if we had slaughter houses....less need, and they will stand on their soap box and make you feel like you are a mean individuals if you kill a horse, but it is just as mean to kill that dog, those cats, the cow, the sheep, the pig, the bird and let's not leave out fishing...That has to be cruel too. Grabbed up on a hook teased by a good piece of bait then yanked out from the water and looked at deep into those eyes sizing up and the fish is frighten, can't breath wiggling to get back to water....
So if we oppose horse slaughter, does than mean you are going after my steak next? It is kind of like is we ban my handgun, then are you going after my shot gun next? If will make a new law for breeding, did we just create another stupid tax?
Where does it end...Take time to read about what the New York Times think about saving a horse and riding the cowboy....and please me kind....these are merely thoughts and no one here is stupid, dumb or needs badgering....The topic is already cruel enough and Elvis wouldn't like it either "So don't be cruel" ..we are merely looking at this question with logic....And one guy stated the Bible said we do not eat horses....I can't find that quote...but I do know where it stated not to eat pork, shell fish and some other things and guess what, most good loving high moral Christians are enjoying BBQ pork and Texas Gulf Shrimp....So when one desires to use that logic, well I see them being slaughter too:
What NY Times wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/sports/othersports/01rhoden.html?_r=1&...
Another story from the times:
Why Horse Slaughter Is Necessary
By JANE SMILEY
Editor’s Note: A version of this article was posted at 2:18 p.m., before the editing process was complete. It was replaced with the correct version at 6:06.
Jane Smiley is a Pulitzer-prize winning author whose work is included in “To the Swift: Classic Triple Crown Horses and Their Race for Glory” (St. Martin’s Press), edited by Joe Drape.
I think it’s time that we talk honestly about the slaughter of horses. On Thursday, William C. Rhoden had a piece in the Times pointing out that more racehorses die at the slaughterhouse than on the racetrack, but he didn’t talk about the alternatives. Few who are anti-slaughter do, even veterinarians, because horse slaughter is a very tricky issue, much trickier, say, than factory farms for chickens or slaughter conditions for beef cattle or even for veal calves. We don’t like to think of a horse, who has been trained to perform or treated as a pet or won a lot of money being slaughtered in terrifying conditions in order that some Germans or some French people might eat horse meat. Would it be different if it were starving children in some third-world country eating the meat? I don’t know.
But here are the issues: the average horse lives between 25 and 30 years and weighs 900 to 1,600 pounds. Thoroughbreds constitute one segment of the population of horses — there are also quarter horses (used for racing, pleasure riding, and ranch work), American saddlebreds, used for riding, driving, and showing, Tennessee walkers (ditto), warmbloods (used for jumping, dressage, driving), various draft breeds and ponies. Because a horse lives such a long time and is expensive to keep, horses are at the mercy of their owners. A lucky horse is one who lives a long, useful, healthy, and well-fed life, with room to roam, grass to eat, and an owner who understands and appreciates him, then, once he is in pain or having difficulties because of old age, has the money to euthanize him and — do what? Bury him? Illegal in most places. Cremate him? A cremated horse takes up 10 human-sized boxes. Send him to the rendering plant? Horse byproducts have some value (they used to have more—glue, horsehair, horse-hide, horse meat).
Sandra Blakeslee described rendering in the Times in 1997 (Mar 11) as “the ancient but seldom-discussed practice of boiling down and making feed meal and other products out of slaughterhouse and restaurant scraps, dead farm animals, road kill and — distasteful as it may seem — cats and dogs euthanized in some animal shelters. Rendering plants produce tallow, bonemeal, fat, and powdered animal protein. There are two possibilities for a dead horse — his body can be treated as if he were human (I did know a woman who had her horse cremated and kept the 10 boxes in her house) or it can be treated as animals are, and go to the rendering plant. You cannot discuss horse slaughter without discussing horse corpses. Horse slaughter makes use of horse corpses.
When I was 14 and my horse broke her leg when she slipped and fell in a patch of mud, she was sent to a foxhunting kennel, euthanized by electrocution (hot wire on the head, steel shoe on the foot), butchered, and fed to the foxhounds. Even at 14, though I was distraught because I loved and missed the horse, I recognized that there was a justice and a rightness about this solution to the problem of the disposal of the horse. She could not walk, she could not be healed, her death was as merciful as we could make it, and her recycling fed hounds who would otherwise eat some other animal.
The horse I rode when I was 14 was a retired racehorse, retrained to jump and gallop cross-country. She was beautiful, and her career was fairly common then — most Americans who liked to ride English rode retired racehorses, and many racehorses trainers had some sort of connection to the equestrian world. Thoroughbreds were prized — they were beautiful and athletic. Even the not very speedy ones excelled at sport.
Beginning in the 70s, though, Europeans began exporting specialized sporthorses to the United States known as “warmbloods.” They were bred in government-sponsored programs — crosses between various draft breeds and thoroughbreds intended to be larger, easier to manage, and more geared to a life spent doing dressage and jumping. The warmblood industry in Europe is well organized and well developed, and horses sent to the United States have in large part replaced Thoroughbreds as status symbols and showhorses. Someone like myself, who prefers riding thoroughbreds, is in the distinct minority, and most race horse trainers do not know show horse people. In addition, most showhorse people have lost the expertise they once had in retraining racehorses. The result is that while there are more racehorses than there were in the 60s (also more venues for racing and more races), the aftermarket for racehorses is quite small and disorganized. The Europeans have made strong connections with American showhorse trainers, the trainers have learned to work with a different type of animal, and riding has changed, too. The result is a huge number of extra horses — not only thoroughbreds, but warmbloods who are past their useful prime. And that is only on the English riding side. Western riding horses abound, too.
But the U.S., while breeding an abundance of horses, has not made any provision for their disposal. Anti-slaughter activists would like all excess horses to be cared for, but have not designated who would pay what Robert Lawrence of the Equine Industry Program at the University of Louisville estimates to be $400 million dollars a year. A few years ago, an anti-slaughter bill was passed in California. The result was just as veterinarians opposed to the bill feared. Horses were still sent to slaughter — only they had farther to travel (Mexico and Canada as opposed to Texas) and they traveled in worse conditions. Many other horses (as the veterinarians also feared) were simply left to starve when their owners could no longer feed them, since euthanizing and rendering cost money that an owner may not have. And abandonment is a problem that has burgeoned since the beginning of the current recession. Last fall, a certain town in Northern California announced that horses could be brought to town on a certain Saturday for no-questions-asked euthanization. It was the most merciful thing to do.
Well-meaning commentators such as Mr. Rhoden can wish away horse slaughter (or even horse racing), but I think it would be far better to regulate horse transportation and institute methods of humane slaughter such as those proposed by Temple Grandin for cattle. We must recognize that there is a market for horse meat (not only for human consumption, but also for zoo and circus-animal consumption) and that in a starving world, a source of protein should not go to waste for sentimental reasons. It is sentimentality that has resulted in profounder cruelty to our horses — because we don’t accept that they are animals and have a utilitarian purpose, we hide from what happens to them, and so what happens to them happens in secret.
Let me add
BevLevitt — Fri, 2012-01-13 19:31Let me add that The National Cattlemen's Association, The AQHA, TB breeders, Arabian & Paint breeders, feed lots, Meat processing and packing plants, the AVMA and pork farmers can easily be checked at maplight.org for their campaign contributions. My why a wicked web we weave when we practice to deceive the American tax payer.
You miss the bullet with your jargon
BevLevitt — Fri, 2012-01-13 19:28Here's the bottom line TexMex. 92% of the horses according to our USDA reports are sound, healthy and young. The reason being is this a supply and demand market. When slaughter was at it's peak in the US, we had 10 plants and 400,000 horses being slaughtered here and in Mexico and Canada. Those numbers dropped each year. Why? Because demand dropped. These weren't unwanted horses anymore than the majority going to slaughter now. The 300,000 not being slaughtered obviously were absorbed back into the horse market ALIVE. (Beating my head against a brick wall). The neglected, starved and abused horses, some because of the economy and people's real fear of slaughter, some because some people will always be abusers of animals and children, do not go to slaughter. So that leaves supply and demand of an overseas market. Therefore we are currently at close to the same rate being shipped abroad as when we had slaughter.
Now I realize there are politicians out there spouting these are the unwanted, but check out their campaign donations at maplight.org and it will become clear to any honest citizen that doesn't have a stake in the slaughter industry as to why. Yep.....those dirty DC boys are bought and paid for by the ag & drug manufacturing industry. Pfizer has made over 6 MILLION in campaign contributions since 2006. Most of it from 2008 forward. Now just in case you aren't well versed on Pfizer, let me introduce you to them. Pfizer is the maker of premarin, a menopause hormon replacement drug. A drug that has been proven high risk for cancers and is easily replaced by safer synthetic drugs. Premarin is made using the urine of pregnant mares. These mares are kept pregnant, foals ripped from them, left to die or deemed for slaughter if they live long enough. The mares are bred until the hormone levels drop below usage, which they do and then they are sent to slaughter. Their lives are not a bowl of cherries from beginning to end and their use is completely unnecessary. But.......it is about greed. So Pfizer is a huge supporter of slaughter. They certainly don't want the slaughter plants shut down abroad and would LOVE them open here again.
About 1% of our horse population goes to slaughter TexMex. A number that would easily at about 148,000 be reabsorbed back into the horse industry and would also slow as breeders realized they no longer had their subsidized dumping ground. Our government for far too long has rewarded and stimulated this over breeding to satisfy an overseas market. All the while turning a blind eye to tainted meat. Tell me TexMex why is it that the EU, Ireland and even now China is stepping back from our horses? Might it be because there is a ton of documentation on bute tainted meat causing aplastic anemia, auto immune disorders, cancers and leukemia across the globe? Why is only Americans that seem to stubborn, greedy and dense to realize the potentially deadly threat to children and adults across this globe? Why is that our government has turned a blind eye to not only this threat, but to reports of our horse meat abroad being tested and found tainted? Let's take a wild guess.........GREED.
Now we move on to slaughter itself. Our animal cruelty laws clearly state for livestock, to include equine ONE (1) strike, insensible. With equine it takes from 3 strikes and up to render them insensible. The second problem to this is it most often lasts only about 30 seconds. Unlike cattle, horses physically and psychologically are made complete different and have a fear and flight disposition lacking in other livestock. Therefore horse slaughter violates our US animal cruelty laws. This is without going into the 900 page USDA inspection reports when slaughter was legal here that would make a decent grown man cringe.
I have seen equine slaughtered and can tell you I'm no light weight. I grew up on a beef and crop farm and there is NO comparison to cattle. PERIOD. Nor will it ever be made humane for an animal with an extended neck and the fear and flight instincts of a horse.
We live in a Nation that has raised mortal hell with other countries for cruelties to animals and humans, yet we are every bit as GUILTY. We should be setting the standards of morality, humaneness and values for the globe.
Lest we forget we are a Republic, with a Constitution that no where states a small minority of the population has the right to over rule the majority and then use our tax dollars to line their pockets.
I QUIT being nice to those who's goal in life is to commit criminal abuse, abuse political powers and criminally poison people across this globe.
You want to support slaughter, violate our laws, poison innocent people across the globe then move the hell where they eat horses.
It helps the wallets of the greedy, it hurts the horses
windhorse — Sat, 2010-08-14 15:37Butchered alive - documented: http://www.defendhorsescanada.org/ChambersofCarnage.html
Veterinarians who STAND BY their oaths to do no harm oppose horse slaughter:
http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/
Only the greedy, the sadistic, and the ignorant believe horse slaughter is a solution. The breeders CREATE the problem and get tax writeoffs using the lie that somebody else created the problem of unwanted horses! Their "solution" is an excuse for the industry to get tax writeoffs on the blood and guts of the horses who help them put food on their table.
No genuine cowboy would do this to his horse. No. Never.
Butchered Alive
Susanb1 — Sun, 2011-01-16 22:25I Agree WholeHeartedly. That Is The Truth People Are Greedy About Money Instead Of Thinking About The Gifts Of God. Creating Horses Has For Many Years Been A Great Help In Many Ways. How Soon People Forget, Working For Our Lively Hood In The Fields. Transportation, Etc. What A Shame People Can Not Appreciate The LOVE Horses Bring To Humans. And The Gift From God. Slaughter Is Not The Answer.
It helps the wallet........
d_rbradley@emba... — Fri, 2010-09-03 14:18horse breeders spend 100% to save maybe 20%,come on ,thats not a valid argument. How much tax money can we afford to spend on this worthless cause?
i agree with you on the calf
bullrider123 — Sun, 2010-08-15 18:53i agree with you on the calf roping and horse slaughter
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Further documentation:
windhorse — Sat, 2010-08-14 16:01FOIA request documentation which took Animals Angels investigator 3 YEARS to get from the Feds:
http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/
This is when horse slaughter was legal in the United States! Documentation provided by animal welfare organizations such as Animals Angels and the Canadian Horse Defence Coalition, along with other credible animal welfare investigators has shown how brutal this industry is. Facts cannot be argued. From a moral and ethical standpoint alone, horse slaughter cannot stand on its own - the arguments always, always cover the hidden agenda of greed, and abuse for profit.
And btw, windhorse49 is a simple Internet troll :)
poor thing doesn't know one end of a horse from the other.
Horse Slaughter
Seibert — Thu, 2010-08-12 20:01The question disallows a proper answer.
There are opposing and valid views that may be held. Even perhaps, by the same person.
Qualifiers are required the provide a certain heartfelt answer.
Analogously, how could one answer - Does deer hunting hurt or help the venison industry?
Without qualifiers, an answer could not be distilled because the following are not qualified.
Does one want to protect deer?
Does one want to protect hunting?
Does one want to protect the venison industry?
Does one want to protect the predators?
Does one want to protect the environment?
That said, LOVE THE MAG!
Horse Slaughter
jkdawson8085 — Sun, 2010-08-08 15:01The problem with this question is that you are asking about the welfare of the industry in conjunction with the welfare of the horse. The question should leave out the horse industry because if you care about the horses, you would ask whether horse slaughter is good or bad for the horses,industry aside.
I grew up living the life of a working cowboy. I'm proud of my heritage, as rough and rugged as it could get, at times. Yet with age and education I have grown to see the cruelty inherent in some aspects of that life.
My hope is that, over time, many other cowboys, horse trainers, etc., will come to see the same things. We have come to a point in our civility (?) where we must realize that we are part and parcel of this earth, not above those we share Earth with.
Our male horses, much like our dogs, in order to maintain the population in the best facilities--without crowding--on high quality feed, must be gelded; and breeding must be controlled. I believe that controlled breeding, with the end result being a horse that is productive and happy, should be our goal. Slaughter of the excess horses is as cruel and as inhumane as the slaughter of the Jews by Hitler, and as cruel as the gassing of excess cats and dogs.
The answer is not slaughter. The answer is in educating people about the worth of a well-trained horse companion who enjoys people and enriches their lives. Control the breeding, educate people, give the horse a job, and we will gradually see the value of the horse increase.
For those kill pen buyers, put yourself in the life of a Jew before the Holocaust, and then during, and then after, if you survived. Many of the Jews that survived the Holocaust became atheists. We have 13 horses in our equine rescue now, down from 16. Soon we will be down to 11, and we can better care for those we keep, than we could when we had 16. The ones we've placed have gone to good homes, to people who feel the same way we do. My feelings are that those horses that have gone to kill pens, and have been saved, must feel as betrayed as some of the surviving Jews.
If you think they don't know where they were going, you are dead wrong. Horses think, feel, care, and respond to care. If we slaughter an animal we slaughter a part of ourselves.
With that said, we recently bred our Appaloosa mare to a rescued mustang. Some of you may ask, “why did you breed her to a rescue?" We bred her to experience the joy of raising a horse from birth. We knew that we would get:an excellent horse, one that we could raise and train for trail riding, and after a week with this little filly, I have no regrets. She will belong to us, and she will be trained using John Lyons' book, Bringing up Baby, and we will use Frank Bell's 7-Step Safety method.
Our hope is that we can share our experiences and help inspire people to join us, and to share in the joy of natural horse care and training.
We also must educate people about the huge responsibility of horse ownership. I've seen it time and again where folks get a horse and think, "ah, this is going to be easy." They turn it loose in the back yard thinking it's just one horse, it can't eat much, and then the next thing you know their yard is bare, full of manure, there are flies everywhere, and they are feeding it what their friends suggest and wondering why their hooves are long, why they suddenly get foundered, etc., then they end up selling it at a loss to someone else, their only concern being to get it off their hands. Like a stray dog they sometimes get found and cared for, sometimes shot as feral, and sometimes exterminated like pests after miles of inhumane transport, stuffed in cattle cars with ceilings to high for them to raise their heads. In exhaustion they are then unloaded into slaughter pens and starved until taken to a horrible death.
Wake up people! You don't adopt a child and then discard it when things don't work out according to your expectations. Do the right thing: be responsible and do what is necessary to care for the animal, and if you must re-home it, take care to find it a quality home, and to be sure the new owners can afford proper care.
Jim Dawson
You make several good points.
ALcowboy — Fri, 2010-08-20 14:11You make several good points. However, I believe the welfare of the industry should be considered in conjunction with the welfare of the horses. If the horse industry is hurting then as a result the welfare of the horses will be hurt as well. With the end of horse slaughter in the US the floor dropped out of the horse market. As a result there is a large number of horses being given away or sold for practically nothing. This results in more of those inexperienced horse owners who do not know how big of a responsibility it is to own a horse. The floor dropping out of the market also means that experienced horse owners that could take good care of their horses aren't getting as much money for the horses they sell which means less income and poorer care for their horses. If the animal rights groups had listened to the experts and really cared about horses they would have tried to do more to educate people to reduce the number of unwanted horses and horses going to slaughter. Then, once there was a significant decrease, start gradually eliminating horse slaughter. However, many of the large animal rights groups are not really concerned about the welfare of the animals. They are just trying to make money.
Amen
Dave4HIS_glory — Thu, 2010-09-02 16:04"However, many of the large animal rights groups are not really concerned about the welfare of the animals. They are just trying to make money."
Amen to that. And the same so called animal lovers and tree huggers would cross the road to the other side if they saw a person in need.
Howdy!
Galatians 2:20
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live ; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me
I agree!
windhorse — Sat, 2010-08-14 15:39Well said, Jim.
This is a very emotional
nighthawksh — Sun, 2010-08-01 07:05This is a very emotional issue and one that will always be unsettled.
First, let me say there is no one that loves horses more than I. That being said, there must be some control. Far too may people think they want a horse, only to find out, usually too late, the extent of ownership, the cost and care necessary to properly own the animal. Once that is learned, many are ready to rid themselfs of that burden, but how? The market is dead. What do you do with that grade mare? As said, many simply allow their animals to starve. Which is worse, starving or slaughter? Both equally bad.
Another factor is the number of "breeders." I have a neighbor that has 3 horses. Two mares and a stallion. These animals are not papered, not registered, not even "pureblood" but just nice, grade animals. She thinks she can breed them and make a profit. I have treid to convince her to cut the stallion, but she won't agree. She isisnt she wants to be a "horse breeder." By the way, she lives on a one acre site, with no pasture and must buy hay year round.
So, as sad as it is, there must be a reasonlbly priced means to control the number of animals out there. Slaughter may be one method.
Horse slaughter...not an option!
Windhorse49 — Sun, 2010-08-08 10:42Anyone who TRULY LOVES HORSES, Horse slaughter can NEVER be an OPTION! I agree with controlling breeding and breeders. Perhaps charging a fee for a "Breeder's License" or charging per horses one breeds would be a great idea!
Breeding fees
Desert Rat — Sat, 2010-08-14 10:44All this would do is cause some more Gov. burocracy and lead to the Gov. sticking their noses into or pravate lives with another regulation.
The Cowboy Poet
Horse slaughter
Desert Rat — Fri, 2010-07-30 08:09When they closed down the slaughter houses in the US they did the greatest disservice to the horse population that has ever happend in this country. Note I said population not industry. There are thousands of documented cases of people just dumping horses with no regard to their welfare. They are letting them slowly starve to death in their own back yards. And the ones that are picked up by the meat buyers are in for a long torturious trip to either Canada or Mexico.
The Cowboy Poet
To "Cowboy Poet" ???
Windhorse49 — Sun, 2010-08-08 10:38I am NOT following your thinking "Desert Rat".....suit you better I think! Killing horses in utter TERROR, stabbing them repeatedly, and skinning them alive serving the horse's WELFARE? Let me REPEAT it Horse slaughter, serves the interest of the "HORSE INDUSTRY....QH, TB, other major breeds" it is driven by $$$$$$!
49 you missed the point
Desert Rat — Mon, 2010-08-09 08:16I said in my post it was a disservise to the horse population to ban slaughter. By this I ment that there will always be they greedy few who will try to profit from what is referd to as a branch of the horse industry. I don't know where you have read your horrer storys from of how these animals are dispached but the slaughter plants that were here in this country before they were closed were just as humain as any other type slaughter plant here. I still maintain a bullit to the head is more humain then letting one starve to death like so many are doing. Yes the careless breeding is the fault of the greedy. The horse population of this country is twice what it was before the automobile. I have lived with, broke, and trained horses and mules most of my life and will always have one around but I have used these animals to help heard and ship other animals to the slaughter house.
The Cowboy Poet
I have to agree with the
nighthawksh — Tue, 2010-08-10 06:51I have to agree with the Cowboy Pet here.
For those who don't, what is your solution to the overpopulation of horses, all those being misstreated, starved, and worse?
I have a neighbor that was given 3 horses, simply because she lives out here in the country. She cannot do anything with them. She has tried (for over 2 years now) to give them away, but there are so many excess horses here she is stuck with them. One is ill, and she has spent all she can afford on vet bills. She can't even put one down, because she has no means of disposing of the remains. she is stuck, and going broke.
so, what do we do?
I agree 100%. I can't even
2horsestolove — Tue, 2010-08-03 06:48I agree 100%. I can't even begin to describe the extent of my love for horses, but legislating slaughter out of existence in the United States has caused any number of horses to be starved, neglected and abused by people in our throw-away society.
Europeans are going to eat horse meat no matter what country the meat comes from. Horse traders are going to sell unwanted horses for whatever they can get. I would much rather see horses treated with some dignity and respect in the United States rather than overcrowding, injury and even death during a trip to Mexico or Canada.
2horses to "Love"?
Windhorse49 — Sun, 2010-08-08 10:29God save me from your "Love". Do me a favor and go to you tube, watch a segment from a horse slaughter plant! You are WRONG, Horseslaughter was outlawed here in the US because of the inherent, blatant CRUELTY that was going on! You are WRONG on your concllusion too:"...there is more starving neglected horses.." The reason there are more neglected horses now is because of the "economic meltdown" it has nothing to do with the closing of slaughterhouses! The only people that are really hurting are the QH industry and the TB industry, these two are NOTORIOUS for OVER BREEDING, and treating the EXCESS as DISPOSIBLE! By regulating these two industries and horsebreeding in general would fix the problem!
I am not Pro-horse slaughter
ALcowboy — Wed, 2010-08-18 22:31I am not Pro-horse slaughter but banning horse slaughter in the US did and is causing much more suffering than horse slaughter did. You say educating and regulating horse breeding would fix the problem. I agree. The problem is all of the so called Animal Welfare groups did not listen to the warnings people in the horse industry and veterinarians gave them. They said there wouldn't be a significant increase in number of unwanted horses or horse neglect cases and right after the ban there wasn't but at that time there was a 311% increase in number of horses sent to Mexico just for slaughter and there was also significant increases in number of horses sent for breeding and recreational use that may have went to slaughter. Now it is illegal to ship horses to Mexico for slaughter but many are sent for "breeding" or "recreation" then sent to slaughter. Horse meat was very important to zoos because it is higher in protein, more lean, and has less cholesterol than beef and is the closest thing to the prey animals of big cats and other large meat eaters. The end of horse slaughter isn't just hurting the horse industry. It is hurting the US economy as a whole whether you believe it or not. I would have liked to see an end to it eventually but it would have been much more effective to educate people, mainly irresponsible backyard breeders and new horse owners to cut down the numbers of unwanted horses first to eliminate a need for it. Also in my area there is a much greater problem with overbreeding of saddlebreds and Tennessee Walkers than QH or TB so you can't just blame them.
This makes sense. I dont
La_cowgirl21 — Thu, 2010-08-19 15:41This makes sense. I dont agree with slaughtering animals, but just banning it wont fix the whole problem. Even if its banned it wont stop it. I mean its against the law to kill a person....but has that stopped crime any? I mean look at our justice system today....everyday innocent people are killed from peoples irresponsible actions and the guitly just walk away with nothing happening. But then today animals have more rights than a person does.... Just my opinion....
Philippians 4: 13
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horse slaughter
horseylady — Thu, 2010-07-29 08:44It helps because their then are less unwanted horses and less suffering as many horses have been found turned out in the wild. Domesticated animals who have been cared for their entire lives, do not do well fending for themselves in the wild and often die a slow painful death of starvation. Lets regulate the horse slaughter so it is done humanely.
Horse slaughter
Windhorse49 — Sun, 2010-08-08 10:19I don't see the connection between "less unwanted animals...." and slaughter?? It would be more, because people could get rid of their animals and make money by doing it! $$$$ is the root of all EVIL! Another point, death by starvation is by far more preferable, than being killed in terror! The end in starvation is slipping into a coma. I think in this "Society of FAT PEOPLE, STARVATION is being played up as cruel, because what is the most "horrific" to a FAT person? STARVATION. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe any animal should be starved, however Killing them while they are fat and healthy, just so they would not die in "starvation" is an oximoron! I support regulating breeding and Death by injection!
Humanity
ChristyLee — Fri, 2010-07-30 05:05There is NO way to humanely slaughter a horse. They are flight animals. You cannot regulate how they slaughter horses in Canada OR Mexico. It is brutal. The horses screaming will break your heart.
Slaughtering Flight Animals
BB Oregon — Fri, 2010-08-06 09:54Birds are flight animals, but strictly speaking, horses are not. Horses may have the instinct to run if their lives are in danger, but I don't know of an animal that doesn't. I'm also aware that there are far too many inhumane ways to slaughter a horse--or a pig or a cow or a chicken--but it does not follow that there is NO way to slaughter a horse that isn't sure to terrify the animal beforehand.
It seems to me that the problem is not about horses. It is about how to humanely kill animals meant for consumption (or any other profitable use, for that matter). Doing this according to an industrial model is a rather recent innovation. It may be that the answer is to stop assuming that everything done on a for-profit basis has to be done on the same model used to manufacture cars. If efficiency is not abandoned, but put far into second place behind concern for the animal, humane meat consumption is possible.
Yes, meat would be more expensive, but that is not the end of the world.
I think it is time to treat all animals raised for consumption as humanely as if the animal had been a companion animal. It is the humane thing to do. Therefore, I'd not outlaw horse slaughter houses, but rather change the way the slaughter of all animals is done...whether they are destined to be used as meat or not.
If all animals killed in an inhumane way, whether purposefully or accidentally, had to be buried or incinerated without energy re-capture, instead of used in a profitable way, the meat and rendering industries would find an efficient way to slaughter humanely. I think that is the better way to go. Frankly, I think many people who had the work of animal slaughter would be greatly relieved.
Horseslaughter
Windhorse49 — Sun, 2010-08-08 10:08Goes to show how little you know about horses!! They are "Flight animal" and there is reference to this in many scientific papers. It is GREED and MONEY that drives the "Slaughter industry" and it is inherentlyCRUEL and DISGUSTING. Because of the above,more and more people are becoming vegetarians. Believe me here there is NO WAY the "Slaughter industry" is going to change, because it takes a special kind of person to work in a place like that: criminal background, illegeal alliens, mentally sick people. I recommend that you view footage of what is going on in a horse slaughter plant, with sound affects. I can't do it because I would throw up on my computer. Focuse on the terror in the horse's eye, their death screams, as they are hung by a foot and skinned, while they are still conscious.......The only HUMANE way is "EUTHANESIA" by injection or bullett, if the person is a qualified skillful shootist. Cremation is an environmentally sound option. However the bottom of the problem is OVER BREEDING!! When creating a living creature, one is responsible to care for it and respect it!
Yes horses can be referred to
ALcowboy — Sat, 2010-08-21 23:11Yes horses can be referred to as flight animals, but so is pretty much every species on the planet. You must be watching videos of the Mexican slaughter houses from your descriptions. Slaughter plants in the US used the penetrating captive bolt gun which is the same as a bullet to the brain. In the hands of an experienced person it results in immediate brain tissue destruction that kills the animal. Yes the horses do sometimes have muscle twitches after this method is used, but veterinarians say that the horse feels no pain. If for some reason something does go wrong the situation is fixed as quickly as possible. Slaughter plants also strive to make the whole process as stress free as possible since an animal in stress results in a tougher, lower quality piece of meat. Also, cremating a horse isn't exactly very affordable for a lot of horse owners. Rendering used to be the best choice, but there aren't many left. I agree with you on overbreeding being the problem. However, animal rights groups made it an even bigger problem when they started the campaign against horse slaughter and kept pursuing it even though many people warned them about the consequences we are seeing today. They should have tried to educate people before hand, but they can't make as much money off of doing that so they went the direction they did because it was a better business decision for them. My suggestion is to look at both sides of these things and looking at all of the options in depth before making decisions.
THAT IS just right you hit
bullrider123 — Sat, 2010-08-07 07:50THAT IS just right you hit the nail on the head
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